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Is Anime Good for Us?
Totally, anime is teh SHIZZLE! 15%  15%  [ 2 ]
Yeah, I guess . . . 46%  46%  [ 6 ]
Not really 8%  8%  [ 1 ]
Hellz no, anime SUCKS! 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Don't you have better things to do? 8%  8%  [ 1 ]
You're a loser for making this thread! 23%  23%  [ 3 ]
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PostPosted: January 9th, 2008, 7:31 am 
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So in my daily perusing of Rivua.com I noticed an old posting about the benefit of watching anime. As many of us may notice anime tends to be a very controversial subject. Die-hard otakus can become overly protective of their hobby (i.e. any comparisons of anime to cartoons are met with harsh rebukes). A lot of those hardcore fans tend to become hikkomoris or generally socially inept. Many serious anime fans can often get very much involved in all the aspects of the Otaku lifestyle including cons, cosplay, models, etc. Yet we also get a lot of anime fans who claim that watching anime makes them "superior" or "smarter" than the rest of the crowd who just watches films and live action television. These same people also tend to claim that anime is superior to other forms of media due to deeper storylines or more interesting character development.

Whatever the case may be the question is: is anime good for us? Are y'all glad you got into anime and the anime subculture (including manga, novels, cosplay, modelling, cons, etc.)? Or has watching anime made you feel more of a loser/sad, lonely person? Do you ever discuss anime with your non-otaku friends? Do you think anime is superior to other forms of media? Do you think it's the smarter people that watch anime? What good has anime done in your life?

Anyway, I hope this can prove to be an interesting discussion since I know this is an issue that we've all considered and have probably given some thought to.

P.S. I've included a poll as well, which seems kinda pointless considering this is meant to be a discussion thread but hey, what the hell right? ;)

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I have plenty of friends who watch anime who I wouldn't consider die-hard otakus, and that's the way I feel it should be. Anime, just like any other hobby, should be just that - a hobby. Frankly, the zealousness that some otaku possess concerns and even frightens me. Extremism and fanatacism in any form is something to be avoided.

Go ahead and enjoy anime, but don't let it consume you.

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If I thought Anime was bad I probably wouldn't watch it (although I'm doing several things that are not good, like hanging around in forums when I could study for exams). :lol:
Anime is a good thing as long as it is non-addictive and entertaining, maybe also inspiring. Advantage for westerners like us is also cultural information, depending on how "Japanese" a show is.
Anime is definitely a better pastime than afternoon talkshows, but, get real, these are not so hard to beat anyway. But given the quality range of Anime I guess the comparison ain't so bad.

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Over indulging in anything is probably bad for health. Be it getting absorbed in anime, or watching AVs all day, or drinking like hell, or eating too much..... theres probably all kinds of repercussions in doing some things too much.

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I'm probably not going to be very usefull on this discussion because I find it a very pointless discussion, on the same basis of "is music good for you", "is movies good for you", "is games good for you" yadda yadda

Anything that floats your boat is good for you. Anything that can make you move your brain a little is good for you, anything too much might not be good to you.

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Over indulging in anything is probably bad for health.


See? same opinion.

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Anime is a good thing as long as it is non-addictive and entertaining


Again ...

Anyway, I think the whole "is *something you can do and even get addicted to* good for you" has been long discussed and agreed on that same terms, even fapping LOL

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Well I raised other questions in the opening thread such as whether or not you think anime is a superior form of media compared to other forms of media.

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* enters picky mode (not looking at Spaz avatar) *

Are y'all glad you got into anime and the anime subculture (including manga, novels, cosplay, modelling, cons, etc.)?

Yes, because I'm a healthy fan who only *watches* anime, do some wallpapers and follow some comunity, and gives back in form of said wallpapers and reviews. I'm not much into manga, novels are books, so what's up? cosplay IS FOR LOSERS >.>, modelling is hmm fun but I would rather loose 4 hours watching a new anime than building a small model to take dust on top of my shelf (unless you offer me one done =p), and I totally completelly and utterly despise cons (flock of unhealthy otaku perves >.> which degrade anime image all over the world)

Has watching anime made you feel more of a loser/sad, lonely person?

I feel thankfull for watching anime since anime is not bound with very biased closed western traditions (ok, I don't watch things outside US other than anime so I might be being biased but I don't like saying only American things too) where everything must follow a predetermined "politically correct" manbo-jambo, or end up with a pretty US flag at the sky and GOD SAVE AMERICA. Ok flame over, Anime have a broader scope of plots, point of views etc... and since it is clearly oriented for teens and young adults (the ones I like, that is), it also often come with nice messages. I feel I would have been a better teenager if I watched anime at that time :twisted:

Do you ever discuss anime with your non-otaku friends?

No because thanks to bad media, misinformation and CONS, most non-otakus have very biased negative views on anime (they see anime as hentai violent parades OR kids stuff). Luckyly I have shown to most people it matters that it's not so, like my parents and a couple of close friends (which I turned into more otaku than I am :twisted:, he even like EVA ugh). I often come up with an alternate way to say something, like "I watched a series in which they discuss this or that" (note the use of "series" not "anime") to avoid prejudice.

Do you think anime is superior to other forms of media?

I think any cartoon, thus including western cartoons, are superior in the way you are free to let your mind go as far as you want. "Paper accepts anything". Some plots would be very expensive to be made into live actions (or would feature shitty FX which would make it hard to watch), and anime can make it easily. Unfortunatelly, western cartoons fail to realize they can use animation aimed to ADULTS, so most of the good stuff is at anime (don't argue with me, I KNOW there are those in western cartoons, I'm talking in general)

Do you think it's the smarter people that watch anime?

Unfortunatelly, I don't think so, I think MOST people who watch anime, watch it for the thrill and the "burning spirit" (Storm_Shinobi should patent this), and I'm saddened to see that because it means most otaku you find will IMMEDIATLY ask you "did you watch the last Narutard episode? or One-Piece-of-shit?". But I do think the ones who think enough to be part of foruns like this, or even better, read/write, are the smart ones 8)

What good has anime done in your life?

If you know how to look at things right, you can find a lot ... Anime brought a lot into my life, mostly about human behaviour, human nature and so on (as I mentioned, I like young adult / adult titles, with thought provoking themes). It also filled the huge gap that I started sensing around 2000 when I thought the theathers did not offer anything good: an alternative to the flood of US-made series that Brazil suffers up to date (you won't find even European series that easilly, it's all about US stuff, it's like brainwash, and after 9/11, most US stuff got a bad feeling). You won't see much anime parading about Nippon Patriotism and shouvling the Japanese flag up yours ... every 30 minutes, but most US movies do. ... well, if I take a look at spaz avatar I can quote one anime that does try to make me eat canned Japanese patriotism though :roll:

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Are y'all glad you got into anime and the anime subculture (including manga, novels, cosplay, modelling, cons, etc.)?

I don't really care about all that extra stuff (including learning the japanese language, not interested in that), all I care about is the anime itself. I'm considering trying out manga though.

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Or has watching anime made you feel more of a loser/sad, lonely person?

Sometimes anime makes me depressed (endings usually), but thats about it.

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Do you ever discuss anime with your non-otaku friends?

I do. I tried to get my good friend to watch Trust and Betrayal (he likes drama, and japanese movies) but he refused because he thinks anime "isn't his thing", even though hes never tried a good one. It pretty much pisses me off how many people say anime sucks when the only thing they've seen is Narutard and DBZ.

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Do you think anime is superior to other forms of media?

Anime is definitely superior to cartoons, cartoons are generally aimed towards kids, and I rarely see a cartoon aimed towards the more mature. Cartoons have better comedy though IMO.

Theres this one Canadian/French cartoon though, it's called Delta State. Its pretty much like anime in the way that its serious, has good character development, and has an interesting plot (a cartoon with plot? holy crap). Unfortunately since it didn't get the recognition it deserved, the second half of it was never released on DVD, and the first half is ONLY available on amazon.ca (maybe the French amazon too).

Anime is about equal to live-action, since theres lots of diversity in both, and plenty of bad and good ones. Live-action definitely has the most shitty Hollywood action films though.

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Do you think it's the smarter people that watch anime?

It's not that people who watch anime are smarter, but we generally have a more open mind and actually gave it a chance.

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What good has anime done in your life?

Its made me set higher standards for all types of video media, and I like it this way.

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well, if I take a look at spaz avatar I can quote one anime that does try to make me eat canned Japanese patriotism though :roll:


Well I'm not Japanese, so I could care less . . . :lol:

Also I would agree that in some sense anime can be a superior form of media compared to live action since anime doesn't have many of the limitations of live action films. Sure our modern effects studios such as ILM can do wonders but there are still certain limits with live action films mainly due to budget constraints. Not to mention certain works of unique imagination probably cannot be expressed on any medium other than an animated one.

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Well I'm not Japanese, so I could care less . . . Laughing


Me too, I thought it was cute, but follow my perspective: what if 90% of anime were patriotic, and 50% had messages about how great Japan is and Japanese people are the best and masters of the world. Would you eventually get tired and sick of that in a couple of years?

Switch "Japan" to "America", increase "couple of years" to "a decade" and you will understand where we, outside US, stand in terms of US series =p

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Too costly, unless a movie is expected to be a blockbuster, the FX are usually very lame. Take a look on some series for instance, like Heroes, Lost, even Smallville ... shitty FX at the best ><; In animation, doing a couple talking or a whole FX imagery costs about the same (if the artists are good)

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Me too, I thought it was cute, but follow my perspective: what if 90% of anime were patriotic, and 50% had messages about how great Japan is and Japanese people are the best and masters of the world. Would you eventually get tired and sick of that in a couple of years?


Still, it didn't affect my enjoyment of the show at all.

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Switch "Japan" to "America", increase "couple of years" to "a decade" and you will understand where we, outside US, stand in terms of US series =p


Eh, you clearly haven't seen many Mainland Chinese TV series if you think CODE GEASS is overly Patriotic/Nationalistic . . . :lol:

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Too costly, unless a movie is expected to be a blockbuster, the FX are usually very lame. Take a look on some series for instance, like Heroes, Lost, even Smallville ... shitty FX at the best ><; In animation, doing a couple talking or a whole FX imagery costs about the same (if the artists are good)


I dunno, the visual effects for Heroes look pretty good. Obviously it's not as good as high-budget feature film but you can say the same for an anime feature vs. an anime TV series.

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I couldn't really say if I'm glad that I got into anime, while I like anime and enjoy the subculture I'm sure that if I hadn't gotten into anime I would have just gained some other interest. That said I am glad that I got into a relatively harmless interest rather than something criminal or dangerous.

Watching anime doesn't make me feel sad or lonely, as a result of anime's increase in popularity anime clubs or groups are becoming more prominent and they provide opportunities for socialisation and making friends, at the very least you can find out that there are a score of other people who have similar interests.


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Hm, okay, so my response was considered flat.
I admit I wanted to be brief, so let me do a little correction... I'm using Caiobrz's form but I'll skip questions which I would only answer "yes" or "no".

Do you ever discuss anime with your non-otaku friends?

What's the point? If they're not interested, what could they have to offer in a discussion?
Okay, I know a few media analysts and sociologists who might be interested in certain features of Anime, but usually I don't bother them.
I have tried turning friends into Anime fans, but the fandom either did not last long or I was plainly rejected, like in "That plot is ridiculous!" or "Those graphics are just so wrong!"
Today I know who's in and who's not, so I know with whom to discuss Anime - with the fans.

Do you think anime is superior to other forms of media?

Of course. As it was already said it allows you to display crazy stuff without expensive or alternatively crappy special effects.
Like, how often do you get to see a blowjob from the inside in live-action? :lol:

Of course these are surface traits, technical possibilities. It could be asked whether Anime has in general better ideals and values on display than live-action of a comparable genre (let's say "Tonari no Yamada-kun" versus "Roseanne" or something). But that is hard to answer since live-action is internationally comparable, whereas Anime is mostly a Japanese thing.

Do you think it's the smarter people that watch anime?

How could that be? Anime is made for the masses, for a broad fandom to make a maximum of money. Sometimes there are good, intelligent if you will, titles for a more reflective and open-minded audience. But the great chunk is made to attract as many people as possible, and since most people are of mediocre intelligence (the curse of the average) that applies to Anime fans as well.
Most fans I know have college education, but that's just the environment I'm living in.

What good has anime done in your life?

As I said elsewhere, I was a fan from 1991, but watching "SailorMoon" in 1998 changed my whole personality to the better. Thus I am very grateful to Ms. Takeuchi and her creation.

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cosplay IS FOR LOSERS

Not true. Cosplay is for a stranger kind of people (I'm not strange enough for that kinda hobby) but not necessarily for losers. Some of my (female) friends are into cosplay. They do the costumes themselves from scratch and still they do well in college and are eloquent in conversation.
Is that so unbelievable?

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(flock of unhealthy otaku perves >.> which degrade anime image all over the world)

In other words you look down on me because I'm the president of the local Anime club - because what are Anime clubs possibly other than a "flock of unhealthy otaku perves"? Oh my, and I'm their leader! :shock:

So far I'd think that you must have strange cons in Brazil, and I admit I have seen videos from very strange cons with very strange people in the US, but I've been to a small number of cons in Germany and while there are strange people, like in every crowd, I did not feel like in a "flock of unhealthy otaku perves".

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thanks to bad media, misinformation and CONS, most non-otakus have very biased negative views on anime

It's interesting to note that only in Japan I was glared at with unbelieving eyes when I said that I liked Anime and seiyû singing. :D That killed the notion that Anime was seen as something normal in Japan. It's not. For Japanese, Anime is for kids and deranged otaku.

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he even like EVA ugh

I don't find liking Evangelion so hard... :D

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it means most otaku you find will IMMEDIATLY ask you "did you watch the last Narutard episode? or One-Piece-of-shit?".

Such are people whom I wouldn't call "fans", because they've often just seen a few episodes of said series, looked up a few websites about the topic and suddenly they think they knew everything about Anime. :roll:

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shouvling the Japanese flag up yours

"Kamichuu" does... kind of.
First they glorify and play down the battleship Yamato ("unwillingly drawn into the war") and then they propagate (native) Shintô alternatives being better for the Japanese soul than (foreign) Christian things like Christmas. I found that pretty striking.

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cartoons are generally aimed towards kids, and I rarely see a cartoon aimed towards the more mature.

Hm, that depends. Tex Avery in general did some provocative stuff, like Little Hot Riding Hood, considering the time he worked in. And in recent years MTV is full of cartoon stuff for adults.

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Hm, that depends. Tex Avery in general did some provocative stuff, like Little Hot Riding Hood, considering the time he worked in. And in recent years MTV is full of cartoon stuff for adults.

Is there any good and original cartoons aimed towards the more intelligent though? I'm not looking for brainless shit like MTV's "Celebrity Deathmatch". I actually don't have the channel, but that show aired on one of the channels on cable.

So far, I've only seen a few good cartoons: The Boondocks, Delta State, Undergrads, Bromwell High and Sons of Butcher. Most of pixars films are also very good. Toy Story and The Incredibles both kick ass.

Everything else I've seen is either aimed towards kids or sucks. I don't like Simpsons, American Dad, and all that other stuff. Anime pretty much dominates cartoons, but North Americans are all too narrow-minded to be able to appreciate brilliance.

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Ah, so by "not for kids" you actually mean "for intelligent people" and not just "for adults" in general.

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