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Does a creator have to be Japanese for a comic to be Manga?
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PostPosted: June 12th, 2008, 12:51 pm 
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This issue cropped up a few years ago when Tokyopop started selling the manwa, or comics that originated in Korea. Despite the strong quality of some of the titles, there was a huge gap in sales between the manwa titles and the comparable manga titles...

Now with so many artists out there on the web doing comics with an anime style (Megatokyo, etc.) the question becomes what is Manga? Is it exclusively comics that originate in Japan or does it encompass a specific art style? I'm curious what everyone here thinks.

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PostPosted: June 12th, 2008, 5:00 pm 
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I'm not voting yet, because I'd like to see what others think.

I've been able to find Marvel Comics graphic novels at the library I normally go to that clearly aren't manga, but are published at a size comparable to tankōbon. (There's also been Japanese versions of Spider-Man and the X-Men that would be considered manga.) I believe DC Comics has at least 1 manga imprint, I think, though I'm not sure if they've converted characters like Superman and Batman into manga counterparts the way Marvel has.

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Yes. Do you consider Family Guy an anime?

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Mmsven wrote:
Yes. Do you consider Family Guy an anime?

Valid point. It isn't "anime" just because it's a cartoon.

What if it's in an "anime" or "manga" style, though?

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I believe the anime/manga term applies to a particular style of visual art. I'd be hard pressed to name criteria to define the anime/manga style, but it typically means that characters are drawn in a specific body proportion, and adhering to certain tropes. If a piece of art meets those criteria, then I will classify it as anime/manga, regardless of whether it was made in Japan, Korea, the US or anywhere else in the world.

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I believe the anime/manga term applies to a particular style of visual art. I'd be hard pressed to name criteria to define the anime/manga style, but it typically means that characters are drawn in a specific body proportion, and adhering to certain tropes. If a piece of art meets those criteria, then I will classify it as anime/manga, regardless of whether it was made in Japan, Korea, the US or anywhere else in the world.


Most of my friends treat the issue this way. I certainly do, but there are those who have stricter criteria. I was curious if I could gleam a broader perspective, or at least know how the active folk on this site think. :D

I wouldn't consider the Family Guy an anime because of the art style and the content. Even Avatar seems to American for me although the art style certainly creeps towards an anime style. We seem to be in a period when the art on each side of the pacific seems to influence each other. shgarland's example also is a great one. Batman and Spiderman are quintessential American comics that have been done in a manga style in Japan by Japanese artists. Are these hybrids still comics or are they manga? Not having read them, I can't really comment. I suppose if they are good, I don't care too much. Some people seem to care a lot though...

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Zaxares wrote:
I believe the anime/manga term applies to a particular style of visual art. I'd be hard pressed to name criteria to define the anime/manga style, but it typically means that characters are drawn in a specific body proportion, and adhering to certain tropes. If a piece of art meets those criteria, then I will classify it as anime/manga, regardless of whether it was made in Japan, Korea, the US or anywhere else in the world.

Shin-chan must be a cartoon then.

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Shin-chan must be a cartoon then.


I've never seen this Shin-chan. Can you point me to some screenshots or a video clip, perhaps?

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I've never seen this Shin-chan. Can you point me to some screenshots or a video clip, perhaps?

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclo ... php?id=540

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I've glimpsed it during the Adult Swim block on Cartoon Network.

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Crayon Shin-chan, Dr. Slump (by Toriyama, creator of Dragon Ball/DBZ) and Chibi Maruko-chan contain art styles that are very non-anime. They are also more oriented to little kids and for Shin-chan and Maruko-chan, very "slice of life." Even the old Lupin look had more in common with Mad Magazine (Monkey Punch was a big fan) than say, Tezuka. They certainly don't feel like what we call Anime or Manga today.

My kids loved the Japanese Shin-chan and hated the English one... They'd probably call the Japanese one Anime and the English one a cartoon. Of course, they haven't been raised on the classic cartoons that were on when I was a kid, so they consider the term derogatory. :roll:

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I'd say that "Manga" are simply comics from Japan, but somehow I tend to think that Manga can also be defined by a certain art style, although it's hard to put my finger on it. There are countless graphical styles, but still, imho, there is something "Japanese" about Manga art styles, so you could argue that certain products which were done by non-Japanese indeed are Manga. Jürgen Seebeck is a German who has been fairly successful as a Manga artist in Japan (plus he's the one who translated "Akira" and "Battle Angel"), and that other guy whose pronunciation I discussed earlier has mastered the Japanese style as well.

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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=540


Mmm, yes. Judging by that picture, I'd say that Shin-Chan is a cartoon. It's a Japanese cartoon, but it's still a cartoon.

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Mmm, yes. Judging by that picture, I'd say that Shin-Chan is a cartoon. It's a Japanese cartoon, but it's still a cartoon.

Why don't you just go by definition and stop twisting logic.

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Mmsven wrote:
Why don't you just go by definition and stop twisting logic.

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Spock: To deny the facts would be illogical, doctor.
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