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PostPosted: March 21st, 2008, 10:35 am 
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For starters: "JAV" is for "Japanese Adult Video". Porn from Japan in short. It has nothing to do with "Audio/Video cables/adapters" or something.
I would like to dedicate this thread to the whole phenomenon, which is to say, the movies, the companies, the actresses. If you see anything you think is worth watching or knowing, post it. There's also an internet community named "JAV Talk" which is a great source of information. And movies.

How did I get to this topic?
Well, once a month or so I use to harvest the free JAV sites that I found during the last years, giving you free samples from two to ten minutes of running time, and after a while you notice certain actresses (e.g. Amamiya Setsuna), and certain companies (e.g. Smiley, GoGos).

Actually I have stumbled across Shiina Riku, who has one of the most sympathetic faces I have ever seen. So I felt curious, went to her blog, which has a message board, and posted a question, asking how she felt about her work, whether rape movies were not kind of hard to do and why she became an AV actress. I mentioned that I was a scholar of Japanese culture, therefore the research comparison near the end.

She was swift in her answer, just a day later I received the following reply (which I'll give in translation):

Dear 42317, thank you for writing.

“Movies” you say... I take it you mean working in adult movies in general, right?

First of all, I really do enjoy my work. Rape movies may not seem so enjoyable, I guess (*lol*), but strictly speaking acting in a rape movie is nothing more than make-believe.
The action is planned beforehand and discussed so that there will be no exaggeration.
Sexual activity is about giving earnestly each other a good feeling.

On the other hand, although there are no emotions involved, a so-called rape movie would hardly be a successful product without a certain display of resistance, right?
You were assuming that this kinda work wasn’t enjoyable, but for me as an AV actress such a product is nothing more than a piece of work. In other words, as the actress, I am always victorious (*lol*).

About why I am working in the adult business, I use to say “Because it’s fun”. Money is out of the question because everybody needs it to make a living. More than having a job everybody needs to earn money, that’s only natural.

Do you regard adult work as strange, because it deals with sexuality?
Before I entered the business, I too, regarded it as special, but there’s no reason to look down upon it. As for me, I was scouted. That really sparked my interest, and with a positive attitude and good feeling I decided to enter the business.

Everybody has sexual desires.
Just like everyone pleases his appetite for food, and has to find out what taste and quantity he needs and thus decides on the right restaurant, AVs pursue human habits and products in order to please sexual desires.

As a scholar your work consists of researching things on a daily basis, right?
I am researching sexual desires day by day! Furthermore, I did a lot of movies so far, but I always find something new and strange about the human body, and I like that very much. Research topics are still not running out. Experience values will then be used to improve future movies.
It’s possible that there’s something in my life that you helped improve by doing your work, who knows?

I believe that “to do a job” means “to become a pro in that field”.
I have still some way to go before I can be called a pro, but once you feel your professionalism, you won’t lose to anyone.

Therefore, daily research and daily devotion, and enjoying work, will make a good product.
Therefore I will continue to do my best.


Sad but true, there is no proof left of my little dialogue, since she asked me to allow her to erase the thread after I had read it, stating it was off-topic on her message board, redirecting me to her management officer for future questions. I copied her reply, allowed the deletion and could not help but wonder whether this so called message board was just for praise and advertising...

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Well, that's an interesting perspective from someone inside the industry. I'd always wondered how porn stars felt about the work they do.

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It certainly is interesting to hear what a porn actress thinks about her work. Especially in regards to rape scenes, where they always seem to be hating life so much.

Since I can't read Japanese, I can't really look at the other stuff on her message board, but it is a little odd that she would want to get rid of it when I can't really see anything about it that would be exactly strange. It was simply a question about he profession, etc., not really anything derogatory, but oh well. I guess she just wants to keep her message board light and airy.

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Light and airy, that might be it. Browsing through the existing posts I can't help but believe that most of the (few) posters are coworkers (in a "behind the camera" sense), and in an according thread I found some guy's request for a costume he suggested her to wear... :?
(He requested nothing special, the opposite, so to speak, by requesting "Shifuku", uh... "everyday streetwear"?)

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Everyday streetware eh? :lol: Certainly an unusual request. Seems like what she would wear in a normal porn feature, but I guess maybe she doesn't do many of those?

I'll have to think about a JAV actress I like. I don't really know any names or anything :(

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Everyday streetware eh? Certainly an unusual request. Seems like what she would wear in a normal porn feature, but I guess maybe she doesn't do many of those?

What is a normal porn feature? :lol:
(Shifuku-kei: kore kurai desu)
Flipping through Shiina's movies I'd say she usually wears gothloli, maid or school uniforms... well, not for long, in the beginning of the picture...
But she seems to have done some strange stuff, too. Not in the likes of "bizarre", or anything, it was crazy in a funny way... I remember from the clip, uh, she was wearing a boxer-like sports dress, she had the gloves and punched the guy... and in the end she turned him around and made him come into his own face... :shock: :lol:

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Everyday streetware eh? Certainly an unusual request. Seems like what she would wear in a normal porn feature, but I guess maybe she doesn't do many of those?

What is a normal porn feature? :lol:

lol. Just one where they aren't trying to cosplay the people as something, like a maid or nurse, etc. Since if they aren't doing some sort of cosplay stuff, she should start out in regular, everyday clothes. Doesn't really work in relation to content though :)

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 Post subject: Re: JAV Discussion
PostPosted: May 22nd, 2008, 9:36 am 
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I found a funny movie:

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It's funny because these uniforms are all taken from older German designs if you what I mean... behold the rabbit! :D
(No, I haven't watched it and I do not intend to... neither uniforms nor knee-high-socks do really spark my interest in a porn movie...)

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 Post subject: Re: What is the title?
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hey 42317 what is holstein porn? :?
And what do you call the type of hentai seen in titles like G-spot Express, Foxy Nudes, Midnight Sleazy train, and Kininaru Kimochi?
And I know you don't watch alot of large breasted stuff, but these titles usually have a group of guys ravaging a women, but not sadistically, and the sex is like non- consensual but gradually becomes consensual

hahaha I hope you understand what I mean.... and Acmurphy I wouldn't mind some input from you either


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I wouldn't even watch this. I dislike "Holstein porn", so I cannot help.

Holstein porn?
Sounds like it invovles with dairy cows. :lol:
Anyway, what is it? I imagine it's gonna be strange once I find out.

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 Post subject: Re: What is the title?
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"Holstein" is actually a breed of cow. It is named after a northern German county and well known for its dairy quality and quantity. The term has come to be used in Japanese to denote girls/women with huge assets (and as I said some time ago I dislike cup sizes that border on an go beyond being ridiculously large). I think to fully fit the definition the woman has to squirt milk from her breasts (which I have already seen in a live-action JAV, so it's even within the limits of realism).

And as for "rough sex that is non-consensual and then becomes consensual"... that is a type of rape porn. The most despicable I'd say and the most disappointing. It seems to be a widespread male fantasy that women, during the act of being violated, "melt away" due to his sheer and exciting masculinity and enjoy the process. That is not just beyond any realism, it's also a boring porn plot in my opinion, because rape is only entertaining when the victim keeps expressing her disaproval and suffering. :twisted:
You can say a lot of extreme things about, let's say, "Princess 69", but that is an element that I like about it.

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Yes you are on the rite track, I have seen princess 69, but Im not a big fan of the young age the girls represent, and bleeding genitals :shock: is a little too savage for me. is their a definitive term for "rape hentai?"

I ask because, if I remember correctly you understand japanese language and writing?


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42317 wrote:
"Holstein" is actually a breed of cow. It is named after a northern German county and well known for its dairy quality and quantity. The term has come to be used in Japanese to denote girls/women with huge assets (and as I said some time ago I dislike cup sizes that border on an go beyond being ridiculously large). I think to fully fit the definition the woman has to squirt milk from her breasts (which I have already seen in a live-action JAV, so it's even within the limits of realism).


In other words, "expressing". :lol: Yes, it's real, but real-life expressing is nowhere near the fountains of liquid that you see gushing out in hentai anime, of course.

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And as for "rough sex that is non-consensual and then becomes consensual"... that is a type of rape porn. The most despicable I'd say and the most disappointing. It seems to be a widespread male fantasy that women, during the act of being violated, "melt away" due to his sheer and exciting masculinity and enjoy the process. That is not just beyond any realism, it's also a boring porn plot in my opinion, because rape is only entertaining when the victim keeps expressing her disaproval and suffering.


I believe the term for that theme in erotica is "Reluctance", where the female "victim" is unwilling at first, but eventually gets to like it. Surprisingly, the Reluctance theme is actually quite popular among a large segment of the female population; I suspect it's because it represents a release of inhibitions, of repressed sexual urges and the casting off of social mores. If you are technically being forced to engage in sex against your will, you are not the one at fault, and therefore you are free to enjoy what happens without fear of repercussion.

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 Post subject: Re: What is the title?
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drkdmon wrote:
and Acmurphy I wouldn't mind some input from you either

I don't know if I can really add much more at this point. Japanese is going to be 42317's department and Zaxares reluctance is probably a good way to describe the (rape with enjoying it after an extremely short period of time, a famous hentai tactic to make the rapes seem less vile.)

We also had a similar discussion over here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=414&st=0&sk=t&sd=a Just a little down from the first couple posts. Kinda strayed a little off-topic in that one :D

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is their a definitive term for "rape hentai?"

Uh, sorry, I don't quite understand the question... :oops:
What would my understanding of the rape genre have to do with my Japanese language proficiency?
The genre is an international one, although the definition might have local variations, since there are differences between German, Russian, and Japanese rape depictions in entertainment media.
I can't put my finger on it very well, but it seems to me that German porn has a lot of plots that involve said reluctance on the side of the woman, first forced and then "convinced", and if it's a "real" rape it's done just for the fun of it and remains purely physical. Russian rape videos are also strictly physical, but they have brought about a sub-genre labelled "forced eyewitness" that involves the boyfriend of the victim gagged and bound, forced to watch the ordeal, a double powerplay so to say (rape is about exerting power, not about sex, in case you thought so). Japanese rape videos often imply blackmail, and you could say that shoplifting females (schoolgirls, housewives and office ladies are prevalent) being caught and being offered a "discrete" way out have become a sub-genre of its own.
Of course there are many videos that are just the same all over the world, but these are the variations that I think I have noticed that don't appear outside the respective cultural circle.


Acmurphy, why don't you delete the title request in the beginning of this thread and put the rest into the "JAV Discussion"? Strictly speaking we're not just talking about Hentai Anime.

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